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incredibly mean and difficult, really, and the main people were Dr. James Murphy and a Dr. Lehman, who came from some place outside of New York.

What was the cause of the obstructionism?

There were so shocked; they realized suddenly that this might get to be an important effort, and they couldn't stand men with ability and business know-how coming in and telling them what to do, telling anybody what to do, or doing anything!

They wanted to run the show. . .

They wanted to run it but they didn't know how to run it, but they were just, really, unbelievable. Albert had said it would have been better had we started from scratch and not had them to begin with; it would have been simpler.

Dr. Little had spent practically no time at all in the offices of the Society during April, as he was busy on a Rockefeller grant at Bar Harbor, even though this campaign was going on.

Did he also share that point of view?

Oh, he was very difficult. Murphy and Lehman and several other doctors really didn't understand what had happened to them. The one who was really helpful was Dr. Frank Adair.