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funds and the keeping of offices, and the supporting of some fellowships, and the supporting of some aid to local clinics--a variety of small projects. It would really be better if they'd just raise their money for research.

Do they have an adequate administrative group now?

Well, it's diffused. They have a central group in New York. They give only 25 percent to the national effort from the local chapters, as compared with 40 percent from the Cancer Society's local chapters. It is not as well run or as spirited an organization as the American Cancer Society.

Do you have any active relationship with...

I have no active relationship with them at all, but I'm friendly with many of their ex-presidents.

Now, Albert and I had the conception that in addition to trying to get federal funds that we must strengthen the voluntary agencies and herd our efforts to help the American Heart Association, and the American Cancer Society. We also made another effort to start the Arthritis and Rheumatism Foundation, and this is what happened:

Early in 1948 Dr. Cornelius Traeger tried to interest Albert and me in putting up a substantial amount of money to get an Arthritis and Rheumatism Foundation started. He and Dr. Richard Freyberg had gotten the Rheumatism Council interested in it and had also interested Mr. Floyd Odlum, who was a patient of Dr.