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who was a severe alchol, except that when Paul was hospitalized he was given large doses of vitamin B, which certainly were a help in bringing him out of his poor nutritional state. Alcoholics Anonymous was unheard of at this time, and I believe actually the small group that organized it was just about beginning at this time, but was unknown to me or my friends.

And the drug which is now used, antabuse, was not known then.

Yes. And, of course, there are still no snappy ways to prevent people from becoming alcoholics, but there's more general understanding of the fact that it's an illness, not just a perverse human trait.

And psychiatry has certainly shed a great deal of light.

Yes, psychiatry has, and it's become an interest of psychiatrists.

You say at that point you were interested in Sigmund Freud. Had you continued your readings in that area?

Well, yes, I've always been interested in Freud and have read not everything he's written by any means, but I've read quite a lot in the field, and I think he's one of the greatest men who lived in the last 100 years certainly and maybe in the last 500.