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Mrs. Lasker, I think you ought to continue the story of your work in the field of mental health.

I want to say that when Governor Nelson Rockefeller defeated Governor Harriman in '58, I had a heavy heart, because although Harriman had not been what I had hoped, a ball of fire, in behalf of the mental health hospitals or generous about funds for cancer or heart research, still the cancer research funds at Roswell Park increased and are now over eight and a half million dollars--how much of that increase came during Harriman's time, I'm not sure (perhaps, Jane, you can find out). However, as I had had experience with Nelson Rockefeller when he was Under-secretary of HEW and realized that he was not at all interested in medical research, I knew we were going to have a hard time.

Because of your ability to approach him directly, did you do anything in the way of education in this area?

In what sense?

I mean, in trying to convince him of the feasibility of research; I mean in your conversations with him, did you ever broach this?