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that persuaded him to put a resolution on the table to see if he could get other sponsors, and the last I heard he hadn't gotten any other sponsor except Javits. And if I had made myself busy to go around and do this without Senator Hill's approval, it would have been very, very bad.

Well, that's White House conferences.

Well, another effort to increase medical research in the United States came about as a result of an idea that I had, oh, around 1956, I think, and that was that while I was on the Board of Hospitals for New York City--and New York City-operated hospitals contains about 20,000 beds and cost a large amount of money to maintain, close to 300 million dollars and maybe more, but not one cent of it was for research or training of people to do better work in the hospitals. And here were 20,000 people in beds that were being paid for by the City who could be used to try new techniques, new drugs, new methods of caring for people, and for making new treatments and cures.

I think of Bellevue as being a wonderful opportunity.

Yes. Well, Bellevue is used that way by the medical schools that have services at Bellevue, but there are a number of city hospitals where there were no teaching services at all, but where research could have been done, in addition to Bellevue. And I got the idea that the City could have a