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coffee until midnight, you know. So, I said no, but that I would meet him and Bill Blair in Arizona. Florence Mahoney and I went and stayed at the Arizona Biltmore, and Stevenson and Blair stayed with Bill Benton at his place not too far away from the Biltmore in Phoenix. We visited each other very often and went one day to my ranch, the Z-Triangle Ranch which Florence and I then owned up in Prescott, Arizona. It wasn't in operation. It was really too cold in January to enjoy it there. We just went for the day, but it showed in the midst of our arrival, and it wasn't any place that I longed to stay at. It was terribly inconvenient to stay in a hotel when we had a ranch only 90 miles away, but we did it.

I remember on the drive up to the Z-Triangle Ranch through a marvelous picturesque desert and then up into high mountains that Stevenson and I had long conversation about the bases of my interest in medical research, and I told him about my interest in it as a child and my horror at the operation performed on my mother's laundress, who had been operated on for cancer. He was very companionable--he's an exceptionally gifted conversationalist and a vivacious reporter, very entertaining.

After this Billand he started to campaign in other Western states. They were really doing pre-election campaigning. They didn't realize to what extent they were in trouble then, but this came to them when they were defeated by Kefauver in Minnesota early in March, and then they started to campaign with greater seriousness.

Did this cause them to change the direction of their campaign?