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was going on on the floor were extremely useful, and I sat there for some time. Finally, I decided that I would go on the floor too, and I got a floor pass. I went to see various delegations in which I had friends. I saw themto ask them what their position was going to be.

I saw Lawrence of Pennsylvania, the head of the Pennsylvania delegation, who had long been for Stevenson but who had only on that Sunday decided he'd be for Kennedy. He had held out a long time. I asked him, “Are you going to be for Stevenson?” and he said no, that he had decided to be for Kennedy. I said, “Is there any possibility that you would change?” and he said, “No, I was willing to support Stevenson, but he didn't give me any satisfactory answers as to his candidacy, and so I decided I would have to support Kennedy.”

I went to see Daly. Daly said he didn't have support in his delegation, or words to that effect. I went to see Wagner. Wagner said, “There's no support for him in our delegation that I know of.” I said, “That doesn't seem very likely to me,” but, of course, the delegation was appointed by the people who were already committed to Kennedy. Wagner, I think, had been committed to Kennedy for some time, and certainly Buckley and DeSapio were still in power then. So, the New York State, Pennsylvania and Illinois delegations were for Kennedy, and by the looks and attitudes of these men who would normally be friendly to me, they looked at me extremely seriously and quite without any sympathy or encouragement. I realized then that he had no substantial