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spotlight the Administration's interest in the distribution of food surpluses and to give it a status because it was being operated out of the White House.

As I said, the memorandum provided by Bo Jones of the Research and Education Committee provided the ideas and the basic thinking for this administration. The Food-for-Peace plans have been fairly successful, but as the Kennedy Administration took over the ideas I felt it was no longer anything that I needed to be active in or concerned with. Although I'm on a citizens' committee of the Food-for-Peace Administration, I'm really not in touch with it at all, although I feel that at a crucial time, in '59 and '60, we helped to provide ideas which were constructive.

Was there any anticipation at all at that time of the kind of development which we have seen in recent days: the negotiations for the sale of surplus grains to Russia?

No, not at all. The atmosphere in those days was so hostile between the United States and Russia that such a thing was never discussed or even conceived of, as far as I know, as being in the bounds of possibility in the next few years.

Among the other areas that we worked in were housing developments for older people, on the Aid to Education Bill, on efforts to get a bigger program for the desalinization of water in the Department of Interior, and in 1960 Bo Jones and David Lloyd provided a foreign policy position paper, which I'll give you to have copied. It was used as the basis of a