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an artist. He's done great windows for a church in Israel, the ceiling for the Paris Opera this past year. He's now 77 years old and is doing sets for the Metropolitan for I think “Orphaus,” and we're hoping that he'll do a decoration for the Kennedy Center. We don't know about the latter.

If you're persuasive enough, he will.

Well, maybe, yes.

Tell me, are you interested in helping young artists, too?

No, I'm really not. I'm really just interested in collecting things by people I think have great talent. The number of people that are young artists that are likely to change the history of painting are so few that I don't think in terms of helping them at all. I don't anymore than I think in terms of helping an actor.

They have to come up through the ranks.

I have to think they have a chance of being a leader in the history of painting in our times to be interested in them.