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a meeting for a year. Maybe I went to one. I might have gone to one a year later--in the spring of '62. But in the fall of '62 I went to a meeting, and Roger Stevens had been made the chairman of the board.

Which he still is.

Which he still is. Now, Roger is a very inarticulate but energetic person who is deeply interested in performing arts, who has spent a great deal of money on commercial productions and had enormous numbers of failures in commercial productions because his taste is more refined then that of the public. I had been also a small victim of his failures because I've been in at least 30 shows with him, and certainly not more than three have paid off, so it's not a very big record. Roger has a lot of energy, but he's very diffused in his interests and also doesn't understand other people's motives very well and is very fractionated in his approach to people and seldom follows any one thing through. I didn't know all this about him until I got to working with him in the fundraising effort for the cultural center, and I found that the only person who was very determined to raise money was the President's friend, Lem Billings.