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$5 million and he did get the Rockefeller Foundation, really through Dean Rusk, to give million dollars; and the Paul Mellon Foundation gave a half a million dollars. This all happened in the spring of '63 after a great many maneuvers.

At the same time Lem was worried about not having a chairman for the corporation committee. We both went to see Sydney Weinberger, who was a friend of mine, and begged him to find a chairman for the corporation committee who would be willing to raise money from the major corporations of the country. Weinberger was extremely agreeable about this; and as the members of the business committee received letters from the President to encourage them to do this, be finally got Ernest Breech, who had been president of the Ford Motor Company, to say that he would be chairman of the business committee of the cultural center. Ernest Breech I have never seen, but we did provide him with a marvelous man who knew how to write very good fund-raising letters, and he did cooperate with him and he signed letters to large corporations and also kept after his sub-committee chairmen, who were very distinguished. As a result of Billings' drive and pushing me to get Weinberg busy, Breech was enlisted, and the business community so far has given about $3 million.

This is also as a result of a luncheon that the President