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needs to have to go through any of this at all, if they're properly treated. I'm deeply grateful for that.

Then, as I went to the University of Wisconsin, there was a flu epidemic and I was a freshman there and there were literally thousands of people ill. We were put in a big ward and I was one of the victims, but I didn't have it as badly as other people, and I realized that the other people were very ill and nobody had any idea of what to do to help them. They were giving them argyrol to gargle with, largely. This was something that was really out of control and there were no sufficient precautionary measures taken about this. And I remember thinking that I would do something in the field of medical education and research to find out how to control something like this.

Was this the first time you began to think of doing something?

Yes. I was then old enough to think: “Well, sometime in my life there will be an era when I will be able to do something about this, or I will try to make a time in my life when I'll be able to do something against a situation that's so uncontrolled as this: a disease attacking large groups of people that knows no treatment or cure, just runs its course but makes people really devastated while ill.

Did the birth of this idea lead you to think about medicine, perhaps, as a career?