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I don't recall that it was directly at the behest of the White House; it certainly was with the sympathy of the White House.

During the fall of '44, Florence and I went to see Dr. Clarence Cook Little, who was then the director of the American Society for the Control of Cancer. We were shocked to find that the Society was not spending one cent for cancer research. We decided that this really had to be changed.

This was before Dr. Little was connected with the laboratories in Bar Harbor?

No, he was also connected with the laboratories in Bar Harbor at the same time. He raised his money from individuals and the Society was giving no support to him.

Pepper's hearings on medical research finally were called for December 13 and 14 of '44. On the night of the 12th of December, Florence and Albert and I arrived in Washington and at the Mayflower, and Pepper and his staff appeared almost immediately to discuss plans for hearings the next day.

At the same time, Pepper sent word that he had gotten a message from MacIntyre, Roosevelt's doctor, that on account (Vannevar) of the President's request for a report from Dr. Bush--I've been saying Richards; it should have been Bush--that he, MacIntyre, felt that no hearings should be held by Pepper's committee until Bush made his report. Well, this was a terrible