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Now, actually Gorman proposed this in his testimony and Congress thought this was a good idea and it was written into the Senate report asking that the Institute establish such a center and there was a specific amount of money for it, I think in the first year a million or two million dollars.

Felix at the time was against this and really didn't believe the drugs worked.

Dr. Felix was opposed to it?

Yes, it's unbelievable, but he really didn't. However, after he established the psychopharmacology testing center, so much evidence was brought in to him from all sides that he became an advocate of drugs and is to this day. I'm sure he would speak to you with great enthusiasm about what they are doing. However, he wasn't in the beginning at all, and this was true of many psychoanalysts, including the Menningers, who were against all drugs and felt that drugs didn't give you insight and you needed insight. Well, people who were psychotic, we felt, weren't going to be able to get insight through psychotherapy or psychoanalysis because they weren't accessible? available and if you could bring them out of psychotic states and make them available to whatever psychotherapy they could get, which wasn't very much, it was a very good idea. But this was still considered very peculiar in the mid-'50s.

Quite unorthodox.