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Frozen energy. Yes, “money is just frozen energy, my husband always said. It's the use of money that unfreezes the energy and gets something done, and that's true in research. If you assign a certain amount of money in an area, if you have any intelligence and good direction, the chances are that you can get something accomplished in the area. But if you don't, assign any money, the number of things that happen by chance isn't as great as you can make happen if you also have money.

Well, with that concept the horizon is unlimited, isn't it?

I think it is unlimited. I feel we're just beginning, and I feel there's going to be a long prime of life in the next 10 to 15 years and that there will be less disability and then, of course, the gross national product will naturally arise as a result, and the people living will enjoy themselves more.

Well, now, what would you like to hear about, the Heart Institute?

Yes, the establishment of the Heart Institute.

Well, I don't know, but at some point--I think we should summarize that between the time Ms. Mahoney and I started working in 1944 and 1962, after the four institutes that we had anything to do with the legislation on were established, the