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Well, at this time I already knew some of the leading heart researchers, including Dr. Irving Wright, and Foley, who were interested the use of anticoagulants. They were just beginning the use of anticoagulants after heart attacks. But, actually, I didn't consult with them on this because they were trying to raise money for the American Heart Association, and I'll tell you in another session what we did to get that going. We roally had a curious but key role in getting the Heart Association underway.

I did consult with Dr. Leonard Sheely of the U.S. Public Health Service, who was then the head of the National Cancer Institute, and he thought it was a good idea to make it a sort of sister bill and we tried to improve the bill a little.

Was Dr. Sheely a particular friend of yours? Were you instrumental in getting him that appointment?

I knew him. We were instrumental in getting him the appointment by indirection because our activities had made the Public Health Service awake to the fact that more money should be spent in the field of cancer, and the then Director, Dr. Spencer, didn't think that was necessary at all. In fact, he said, “$70,000 was all that could be intelligently spent in grants-in-aid to people who were doing cancer research in the