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Gradually, gradually, because you never could be sure. Sometimes you thought they really were going to do it.

Well, suddenly Jim Webb was put in the State Department and Frank Pace was made the Budget Director, in early January. This change may also have prevented any action any one of them may have started because the minute there's a change in the head of the Bureau of the Budget everything is forgotten, the new man comes in, and the memos are lost and everything has to be started over again.

I saw, consequently, that we would have to make a fight before the Appropriations Committees in the House and the Senate because we weren't going to make any time, in 1948, through the President or the Director of the Budget; it was too late.

Early in February of '49, I was in bed with a very severe cold, in New York, when I heard that hearings were going to be held in the House by the subcommittee on Appropriations for heart, cancer and mental illness for the United States Public Health Service representatives; in other words, for the agency representatives. But the committee was not planning to hear any interested outsiders or citizens and never thought of calling outside witnesses ever in the history of mankind. I was disturbed by this because I felt that if the committee heard from outsiders, perhaps they would get a better point of view or larger point of view of what the needs were. I asked Lynn Adams, who represented the National Committee for Mental Hygiene and Jack Teiter for the Cancer Society and Norman Winter of the National Heart Committee