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Well, it was a piece of great good fortune, because without this we could just never have managed it. But then even so -- what?

What other means?

Even so -- this was the only passive -- we did, through Dr. Garb who was a member of our citizens committee for conquest of cancer, did notify people in the cancer societies all around the country of the problem about the bill, and he did notify other people who have been helpful to us in the past, but if he'd delivered a few hundred letters to each Senator it would be remarkable. I'm sure some of the work that he did was useful, but nothing like this overwhelming business of Ann Landers.

In cases like that, it isn't possible to activate the various chapters of the cancer societies throughout the country?

Well, you would think so, but the national office is controlled by the comptroller of the Cancer Society who was against it, fixed it so that it was very difficult to get any action.

I know how enthusiastic some of these women are who serve in Washington, for instance. I know people in that chapter.

Yes, but they weren't activated by their own central office in any dynamic way. They just didn't get going really, you know.

You're the honorary chairman, aren't you?

Yes, but that doesn't matter. You saw this Mr. McGrail tried to