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-- and they're not doing it because they decided it wasn't their mission.

Have you ever worked on that whole problem in NIH?

Well, I worked on it. I tried to work on it with Dr. Shannon once but he was absolutely impossible. He felt that nobody wasgoing to tell his anything, and it was true that once Hill and Fogarty voted the money and got the legislation, they thought of course that the people there were going to do the maximum and they just left it to them. They never said to them, “What have you accomplished and why haven't you done this?” Hill finally became very disillusioned about Shannon and was anxious for his departure, and actually did tell Cohen that if he re-appointed him he would hold up his appropriations bill, so Cohen did not re-appoint him in 1968 because Hill threatened. It's the first time I ever saw Hill get worked up. But he never really got tought with Shannon. He never said to Shannon, “You've been coming here all these years, what have you gotten done? The death rate hasn't changed, why haven't you done anything to do clinical trials in ateriosclerosis and hypertension and cancer, on any scale, with the money we've given you?” He never said that to him.

But I am sure that Rogers and Kennedy will, because they feel as I do, that we put out the money, we want to know, what progress have you made?

This is education as far as Rogers goes.

Yes. Yes.

It seems tome great progress to have this advisory group.