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and Senate committees, Appropriations, Interstate, Foreign Commerce, and Appropriations and Senate Labor and Public Welfare, and panel members on the Conqeust of Cancer, state governors, state health officers, deans of medical schools, major libraries, medicalschools, universities and colleges, major city public libraries.

That represents a considerable amount of research. How long does it take to put out something like that?

It takes about a year to do it, but you know, the terrible thing is that the changes aren't great enough to do it annually. There's you know, to do the book, there are too many things that remain the same. That's what I complain bitterly about. Not enough changes in the diseases and what's being done about them, not enough changes in the death rates, so that we haven't got enough new to write about. We don't plan to do one now till about '74.

That's the big study you gave me once upon a time.

Which you discovered once was the bible of the NIH.

That's right -- of HEW. Then we sell some and HEW is a very big customer of the book, buys numerous copies. You'd think by now they'd make their own facts but they don't. Their own facts books I mean.

Who else buys them, medical libraries?

Libraries, medical libraries, people in public health.

What distribution abroad does it have?

Oh, none unless I send it to somebody.