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What is your prognosis on that?

I think that means a big fight and it will be settled overall in the next few months, I think. I mean, a big Congressioal- President fight, fight of the Congres vs the President.

But I thought the President was very much interested in Cancer researhi

Yes, but actually, ad he's vetoed the HEW bill, we're working on the '72 budget still in cancer. He hasn't let us get any money at all, related to the '73 budget. We've been stuck.

Well, that's about it.

That sounds like quite a lot. I wanted to ask you about the status of the contemplated cooperation with Great Britain on medical research.

Well, Health asked Lord Charlie Zukerman to write a report for him, and Zuckerman's report is really very --

Who asked him to do this?

Prime Minister Heath. I'd like to give you a copy of it, it's such a poor report. Then I think although the President was willing to go forward with it, the people in the Public Health Service, especially Dr. Marston and Dr. Devoe, probably said, “Oh we can't be bothered to have all these meetings, all this and that, we've got cooperation with them anyway.” Well, actually if they would spend a little money on clinical trials for these major types of cancer, they'd get a lot done very much faster.