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One is at Memorial. One is at Roswell Park. One is at M.D. Anderson in Houston, one is an Boston, the Children's Cancer Research Center. Let me see, one is at Madison, Wisconsin -- that's five, I think, isn't it? There's one more at the .

These are in operation.

These are in operation, with the exception of Memorial and M.D. Anderson, the biggest.

Tell me what a comprehensive cancer center is?

Well, it means that you treat all types of cancer, not just childhood cancer. It means that you don't just do research in cancer cells, but that you treat people with various types of cancer, and have beds to treat them in as well as a research laboratory dealing with research problems and test tubes. And that you teach, that you do research, teaching, and take care of patients, in the clinic and in bed.

There are many specialized centers. For instance, Rockefeller University has what's called a center, where they do only the basic research in cancer, and they're building a special small building for it, or an addition to one of the buildings, and there are efforts like that in many, many places. But we don't do anything that's -- we're not going to make real progress until you get the research, the people and the teachers and the patients all together in one place.

So you're staking your hopes on the comprehensive centers,