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And he has finally admitted to me that there was a little difficulty, because Senator Buckleywas against me, and now -- the two Senators from the state the person is from are consulted before the person can be re-appointed or appointed.

Do you think you're going to overcome that obstacle?

He said they thought it was going to be all right because Senator Javits was so strongly for me.

Yousay you went to the last meeting. When was the last meeting?

In June. Just now.

There was one in March. I hope you'll tell me about that.

Well, you never can say that any really great happenings take place. The really great happenings take place in the clinics, when there are advances. And what happens in the meetings only more or less concerns whatever it is the staff wants it to. There's really no cohesive action on the part of the board itself. The board doesn't get together in advance and say, “Now, let's do so and so and let's put it through, make it stick..” It's a loose conglomeration of people who more or less agree on what's already being proposed, and who on the whole are basic scientists, and fearful that clinical medicine, clinical trials will get too much money.

Youdid say the last time we met that when the board met in March, they were going to pass on the possible naming of eight new centers for cancer.