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What?

You have know-how in that area.

Well, that was just luck, because that it was . I found out later that it was he that was there. So, at any rate, at least something is happening there. But the head of the Heart Institute, when he testified, when he was going to testify before Pepper, I said, “are you going to tell him how many people have high blood pressure over sixty-five?” And he said, “no, not unless he asks me.” And I said, “why not?” And he said, “well, Califano has said we mustn't start any new expensive programs, so I'm not going to say anything about it.” So you see what one has to deal with. It's just --

Yes, I see. Road blocks everywhere.

Yes.

You see what difficulty they've got and they've had in getting the oil to flow from Alaska too?

I think it's absolutely amazing that there's oil flowing in this time, don't you? I mean, after all, it's only three years, isn't it? Four years? I think it's fantastic. Yes, that they've only had one blowout so far.

But isn't it fantastic what's been accomplished in terms of --

When they get it down to --

Valdez?

Where is it?