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Well, I know you had a tremendous collection to begin with. Were they sold to individuals, or were they sold to --

They were sold to a dealer, who sold them to individuals at great profits.

I remember once when I was with you, and this was years ago, and you had a call from the Metropolitan. They were interested in “The White Roses” of Van Gogh, and they were offering you eight hundred thousand or something for it.

The Metropolitan offered me eight hundred thousand? I don't recall that even. Isn't that funny? Well, I got much more than that for it, at any rate.

They did that, and that was in the sixties.

Isn't that interesting, that you remember that and I don't.

Well, it impressed me, and I loved that picture.

Well, I loved the picture, but I had gotten so that I didn't want to have the same things. I'd had everything too long. I wanted a look, a fresh --

Eternal youth?

No, I wanted a different outlook. Well, then, in the last fall we went to visit Leeds Castle.

First though, she has an item, Rothko painting?

Oh, yes. I gave an important Rothko to the University of