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know, to charitable, charitable contributions. So I did that. To whatever extent I can do that, I've done it and I still have one more payment to be made on it, and I will do it again. So that it may be able to make my Foundation, which I'd spent a lot of money from, independent. My having to constantly give money to the Foundation. I was always giving money to the Foundation.

I remember a few years ago you were worried about the Foundation. You had eight millions in it then, you told me.

The what?

The Foundation had eight million in it, you told me, some years ago, and you were going to have to do something about increasing this.

Oh, I had no -- I had spent money and had, maybe originally, had at one time eight million, and that I had spent a lot of money, and so I was going to have to do something to increase it to be able to operate on a modest scale. And that's what I've done in the selling of the pictures. I was able to give part of the money, that would otherwise have gone in tax, to the Foundation. That wasn't a temptation, to do it that way.

Yes, of course it was.

Yes. Then, about Leeds Castle, which is the home of my friend, Alice Baillie [Lady Alice Baillie], and was given to a Foundation, to be used as a place for people to use and see. I went there last September, and Lord Geoffrey Lloyd, who was the Chairman of the Board of the Foundation, arranged a meeting with Mr. Notter