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And you and Lady Bird had this vision?

Yes. Lady Bird doesn't want to go and ask for large amounts of money from anybody, and she won't go to lobby the Governor and the Legislature, because she never did that kind of thing. It was her husband, you know, who was the expert lobbyist.

So I would say that we were about the tenth of the way along to what I could imagine it could be. However, we enjoy seeing what it's developing. We enjoy seeing it develop and we went --

How long has this project been under way?

Oh, it's been under way about five or six years. We had been at this for quite a while. But it needs a big infusion of money.

You have the newspapers back of you?

Yes, but what they really need is a big ad appealing to the citizens to give more money. It's now been done -- or else it needs a group appealing to the Legislature to give them about a million, five hundred thousand dollars. About what it needs, you know. And it doesn't seem to me too much for Texas. It isn't happening yet, but maybe it will.

But at any rate, we went to a charming ranch where there were wonderful lanes of wildflowers, to visit Mr. Gilbert Denman. We also went to visit Mr. and Mrs. Steves