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On the Heart Institute side, the budget went from about
four hundred and forty-five million to four eighty-five
on the House side, and I was stunned, because I was at
the Senate markup, to find (Senator Warren) Magnuson unwilling
to go up to five hundred ten million, which I thought I
had sold him on. I found I had not, and the vote in the
committee was five to five. Five for it and five against
it, that will be resolved in a Full Senate Appropriations
meeting probably next -- week after next.
Why did Magnuson change his mind?
He was economizing. He just suddenly got hit with
the idea of economy. It was the day after the Jarvis
victory in California, and he was suddenly thinking “we must
spend less money”.
Then he came to the Cancer Institute, and a few people
spoke up, including (Senator Birch) Bayh, about the importance
of cancer research, and “Maggy” (for Magnuson) said, “Well,
how about nine hundred and twenty-five?” Senator Proxmire
said, “Well, I'll go along with that,” and the minute Proxmire
said that, “Maggy” was stunned, because he realized that if
Proxmire would do it, it must be the wrong figure.
So he said, “How about nine hundred and fifty million?”
Everybody raised their hands except Proxmire, and a couple
of others, and it was done.
Did you have any further trouble with (Congressman) Obey?
Yes, he makes plenty of trouble, but I -- he called
me up in Texas and said, “There is going to be a cross-the-boards
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