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really clears up the arteries, and people that have had two heart attacks were given it and have since been well and they haven't had any more heart attacks -- there was nothing like that, there is no real big clinical effort on any one thing that makes you feel that you are going to eliminate heart attacks in the near future that I know about, and I think this is terrible and it's one of the great undone pieces of work in medical research.

What about scientists in other countries? Is anybody interested in this?

Oh, this was an international conference.

Oh, it was international.

And I listened to Swedes, Germans, and they were all talking some about some drugs that they thought were pretty good, but nothing was very impressive, and nothing. . . For instance, they couldn't say, well, in animals it absolutely dissolves the atherosclerotic plaque. You know, you could make atherosclerosis in dogs, you could show it in animals. Of course if it worked in animals it wouldn't necessarily work in man, but it would be a way to. . .

There is no really dynamic groups that are caught on this that I know of. Now maybe something marvelous is occurring that I don't know.