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people were treated, many thousands of people still weren't treated and many doctors were very very skeptical. I can remember I tried to get my husband treated for pneumonia, and we had a doctor just out of the Navy, and they never had any penicillin in the Navy when he was there in the Navy, and I couldn't get him to use any penicillin, although I had the penicillin. There was a problem of supply, too. And finally I got my husband treated and he was all right.

Well, I recall some years back when you were talking about the miraculous effects of Dopa for Parkinson's Disease, and you told me to get in touch with somebody at the Presbyterian Hospital. I wanted to help a friend, and this friend was with a doctor in Boston or being treated by a doctor in Boston, and that doctor wouldn't consider it.

Dopa.

Yes, he wouldn't consider it.

It's now considered routine.

Yes, well, he wouldn't consider it, and this was only a dozen years ago or something like that.

Yes, it's so frustrating that you can't believe it. Everybody has to be persuaded in this very very delicate work.