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when arthritis in some people...they were really free of arthritis for a time with cortisone.

By the application of cortisone, yes.

Yes, it has serious side effects; so that maybe they could avert those with enough investigation in the whole field of endocrinology. The whole endocrine field has been very poorly explored by the National Institutes. It started out with a man, a Dr. Shannon, who was always very disinterested in any endocrine component. He never was enthusiastic about doing anything with endocrinology. You don't live long when you don't have your adrenals in order, and you'd think that that would be one of the first things they would investigate, but no, no, he was really opposed.

And he was head of that unit?

No, he was head of the National Institutes of Health. He could easily have encouraged the doing of it. Remember the endocrines are tied up with sex, and sex is bad.

Limited to that?

Well, it was something like that, something of that kind.