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. . . things by subject, and she puts the heading of what date, you know, the conversation was held.

This is beautification in New York City.

Yes. We are in some difficulties with the Salute to Seasons efforts of New York City. The Salute to Seasons is a group that Mrs. Hoffman and I organized, and it is also a tax deductible fund -- about 10 years ago, when Wagner was mayor. We organized entertainments on the steps of the public library I think I've described that before, haven't I?

Yes, you talked about that and going to some of them.

Yes, Wagner liked these public entertainments, and we continued doing them while he was major. We also have done them this -- during the Lindsay administration, but last fall the rain some down and it had to be transferred to inside the library, which was not at all propitious, and the mayor wanted to stop doing them This suits me, especially as he's willing to --

-- what was his reason for stopping them?

Well, because the weather was uncertain, and he felt he could promote the idea through his television program, which he