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for it in the budget. And of course Castro can urge that these things be done. If he can get enough attention in his own department. But this is one of the sad things of losing to the Republicans. Their general attitude is always to downgrade whatever the past administration is doing and try to do something that gives them a fresh image, no matter how useful it is. Don't you agree?

Q:

Well, I think, yes, but you can build on a previous foundation and go ahead from there if you're so inclined. There's no reason --

Lasker:

-- well, we just haven't got the answer yet. We probably will --

Q:

-- a program like that couldn't be less spectacular for Republicans than --

Lasker:

-- it would be more spectacular: it could do more.

Then, on the last day of the President's occupancy of the White House, actually it was announced on the 20th, I think, he awared a number of Medals of Freedom to people. Do you remember who the other people were?

Q:

You were the only woman included.

Lasker:

Yes. There were a large number of men. There was Averell Harriman, Eugene Black, and about 20 people all together, including



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