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Part II, Session #2
Interviewee: John B. Oakes
Interviewer: Scott Bruns
Location: New York City
Date: March 31, 1964

Q:

We discussed the way the Times makes up its mind on endorsing candidates. We started out with Rockefeller in New Hampshire. What was it like?

Oakes:

In the first place, one must remember that in any kind of newspaper that takes its own opinions, both conscientiously and seriously, it's likely that the people in the decision- making area would pretty much think along the same lines. This is a perfectly natural and obvious fact that plays an important part, so there aren't the conflicts or clashes that I think that many people think must arise every day. They simply don't arise every day. On the specific number of candidates, it's much more normal that the people in the decision- making process would be in pretty much agreement, at least agreement for the type of candidate. If we took the editorial or the managing staff of, let's say, the Journal-American and mixed it in with the Times, you would have people of very wide and sharp and strong disagreements, but we're talking about a homogeneous paper. The people that actually make these decisions, I guess this speaks specifically on the matter of political candidates, would think along pretty much the same line.

On my editorial board, I actually have someone who will watch and observe politics pretty closely, both in the national and state and local level. Speaking of the local level, I have a man who is a real expert in the New York field, and although I strongly rely on him for advice in determining whom we should support in local-I'm not directly answering the



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