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Is it trivial? It bothered you.

It sure did bother me.

And I can see that it affects the daily lives of the people.

Well, it sure did bother me, as a matter of fact; it kind of annoyed me that we would have a disagreement on what I felt was a -

A major environmental -

Well, an environmental matter, but that kind of interference directly on any specific issue was rare.

I remember, an issue came up with respect to our position vis-à-vis the airlines. At Punch's doing, we had some of the big airline executives in to talk to us and give us their bit spiel on how we were taking a position that was absolutely destructive of the airline industry, and Punch was clearly on their side.

Was this in terms of fares or safety regulation or what?

No, I think it wasn't safety regulations, no. It dealt I believe with the question of competition, of freer competition, less regulation, less regulated competition. This is several years ago. And Punch sure, it seemed to me, was rather sympathetic to their view.