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Why not? You're going to have control over it later. You feel -? Aggrieved?

Well, I feel more than a little aggrieved that, in various publications and books and elsewhere, it's generally assumed that Harrison Salisbury was the originator of the Op-Ed page. And while Harrison was the first editor of the Op-Ed page, and deserves enormous credit, which he has fully received, for developing the Op-Ed page, the fact is that he really had very little to do with the origination of the idea. Entirely peripheral.

Nothing.

Well, I wouldn't say, nothing. He came in on committees and things like that.

By this time, mid-'65, he was on your editorial staff?

Oh, no. Harrison? Never. Never. No, never, never. He was an assistant managing editor, and he was pulled in - as some of the documentation will show - to work on a committee that was set up to discus the Op-Ed page.

But the whole impetus, I think it's only fair to say, the whole impetus and the original idea and the drive for it and the constant nagging of the publisher to get something done on it, came from me.

Right. I see nothing wrong with your asserting that.