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should be the heart of the intellectual part of the paper. He too thought we had a responsibility to present opinions to readers, both conservative and perhaps more radical than now on the editorial page. With which view, he said, Daniel disagreed. Also, he felt there should be some humor on the new page, to which the others agreed. Cartoons and photographs would be used. All agreed that syndicated material could be used, but on a limited basis, though Mr. Daniel, said Salisbury, might object to this. So Harrison certainly was contributing.

Harrison Salisbury said Daniel might object to it?

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so he was contributing positive ideas to this during - I don't want to suggest that he wasn't. But he was in a slightly difficult position, representing Daniel, who had already really been basically opposed - a point of view which I want to say, in all fairness, Daniel subsequently changed. Daniel eventually became a supporter of it in principle. He didn't maintain an adamant opposition to it throughout all this period.

Perhaps I ought - we had a - before I go any further, that was the first formal meeting of which I have any record.

That would have been where, in your office, or the editorial -?

To the best of my recollection, it was in my office. I think I have a clear recollection of it in my office. Certainly, if not in my personal office, in the, at that time we had an