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create an Op-Ed page. But nevertheless, apart from news department opposition, I'm sure his attention, that year at least of '67, was pretty well occupied.

How much were you caught up in that?

The afternoon -? Very little. I never was very enthusiastic about it, but I had no real input on that at all.

How would you be aware of this work?

Well, I guess just from general conversation. After all, in those days, I would have lunch with, the so-called publisher's lunch, with the publisher, usually two or three or even four times a week, and one would naturally learn about that. I don't recall that I was officially called into any discussions about that, although I was very much aware of what was going on.

Were you opposed to it?

I was not enthusiastic about it, on one grounds only, the same grounds on which I was never enthusiastic about various other ideas of expanding the Times -

West Coast edition?