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In any case, he was added, and I used that decision again to call the publisher's attention to the fact that we ought to have an Op-Ed page.

Who succeeded in adding Tony Lewis then?

The publisher. Oh, the publisher. The choice of columnists was absolutely the publisher's, and he did that at that time sort of as a - if I remember correctly, it was kind of compensation because Tony didn't get a job that he wanted. I'm speaking entirely from off- the-cuff memory, which may be incorrect, but my recollection is that Tony wanted to be made head of the Washington Bureau, and there was strong opposition, and he didn't get the job, and I think this was in compensation, which was the way Punch more than once settled interoffice rivalries.

I have some recollection of that, but I certainly couldn't state that as fact.

Well, it could be documented.

Yes. In any case, Lewis, for whom I have great respect as a writer and thinker and columnist, in fact I think he's an excellent columnist, was added to the staff as a columnist, and since I thought that our columnists ought to go off the editorial page and onto an Op- Ed page, I thought that was a very logical thing to do if we ever established an Op-Ed page. I used this again to remind the publisher that I thought we ought to have an Op-Ed page.