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Because you were a Rhodes Scholar.

-- four years later at the same place, at The Queen's College also. I was fortunate enough to have gotten a Rhodes at that time from Princeton, class of '34. That was part of the influence, I guess, that I should -- you asked me to talk about.

Yes.

Now. What next. Well, on my own personal background, I grew up in the '20s. I should add one more thing that I'm sure had a big influence on me. On our western trip my father was a tremendous admirer -- very strong in all his likes and dislikes -- in this case had great admiration for the national parks.

Oh, how interesting!

He wasn't a naturalist in any sense, but he had been a big admirer of Teddy Roosevelt, naturally, and he was a big admirer of national parks, and really very early in the early 1900s, he'd made a trip out to Yellowstone with Frank Newberger, a cousin of his future bride, from Philadelphia. They made a horseback tour of Yellowstone way back in the early 1900s and he fell in love with that whole -- not only the scenery but the whole idea of the national parks.