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And I guess that was one of the big influences -- not the only one but certainly one of the big influences that made me become a very ardent conservationist. One didn't even use the word environmentalist in those days. I was a conservationist beginning in that period in the 1920s when I was very young, and continued very strongly through my college and post-college years.

How did it continue? In what way in college? Just your interest?

In moral support -- I didn't have enough money to give any serious monetary support, but just in moral support of any kind of what we would now call environmental but in those days conservationist movement. Specifically, one of the first ones that I remember -- I think one of my cousins, Iphigene [Ochs] Sulzberger, had given me a membership in the Audubon Society knowing my interest in that. And I read all the literature.

Somewhere in the middle '30s, I got interested in a battle that was going on in the Audubon Society in which a woman named Rosalie Edge was leading a kind of revolution within the Audubon Society because she thought the National Audubon Society -- and she was absolutely right -- was much too meek and much more interested in the general idea of protecting birds than really fighting for them, and was much too soft in its protectionist approach.

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