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when the Op-Ed page of the New York World -- which was a very famous Op-Ed page in the 1920s and '30s and disappeared with the disappearance of the New York World -- was a different kind of Op-Ed page, although the name was the same. Probably, when I referred to mine, when I began agitating for it, right from the beginning, as an Op-Ed page, I probably even had that name in mind because I was certainly aware of the Op-Ed page of the World that had appeared thirty years before and had disappeared at least twenty years before.

In any case, that was a different Op-Ed page. It consisted primarily of columnists of the World, people who were writing for the World, and the whole concept was very, very different from ours, from the one I began plugging along about 1960, in the late '50s, even before Orvil became publisher. So I guess that's much more than enough on this subject, but I did feel that it was worth re-stating for you.

I have a couple of questions.

By all means, go ahead.

First of all, you mentioned that you had someone in mind. Was that Dick Peters? To be the editor?

Yes. That's right. He was a former Scripps Howard editor -- and while I can't at this point remember exactly -- I had known him, we had been acquainted just as fellow newspaper people. I'm not certain how I first became acquainted with him. He was very bright, a very nice fellow, who had a very good experience as an editor -- I think as an editorial writer -- with Scripps Howard, I think first in Cleveland.