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The last time you did discuss pretty openly and pretty completely what your life was like
growing up. But we didn't discuss, actually, specifically what your contact was with other
members of the family.
With other members of the family?
Like, how frequently did you see people outside your immediate family? Who did you
socialize with? Did you see Iphigene a lot?
I would say not a great deal. Julius, of all the -- Well, in my family, as I was growing
up, the most intimate relationship I had, apart from my own home -- My father, who died
when I was eighteen when I was at college, but whom I was very close to, I think, during all
the years up to then, and who took my brother and me on trips, both to Europe and out West
on a succession of summer trips. My father and my aunt, his sister, my unmarried maiden
aunt who came to our household when my mother died, when I was one week old, and brought
me up, and of course my brother, my mentor. That's my immediate family, obviously. But
next to them, the people I saw a great deal of and felt very intimate with, really were my
Philadelphia aunt, Mrs. [Bernie] Talimer, who was the youngest of the five brothers and
sisters of my father. Well, there were six brothers and sisters. Three brothers: My father, his
older brother, Adolph Ochs, and the younger brother, Milton B. in Chattanooga. He had three
sisters: the aunt who brought me up, Nannie, and two other sisters, Ada, who lived in
Chattanooga -- Mrs. Harry Adler -- and then Mrs. Talimer in Philadelphia. Mrs. Talimer,
Aunt Mautie, we called her.
I'm sorry. What was that?
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