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more of my staff were to take effect, with the active connivance of Punch Sulzberger, weeks or even months before Frankel was to take over the editorship on January 1, thereby devastating my editorial staff while I as editor still had the total responsibility of getting out a daily editorial page.

How did you find that out?

I frankly don't really know how I found that out. I don't remember. In any case, I went to the publisher and pointed out that I thought everybody on my staff had a right to know what was coming up as specifically as possible.

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[going through papers] I think the best way that I can answer your question is to quote from a memo that I had prepared, but apparently never actually sent to Frankel concerning this problem. And I'm now reading from this memo, which in my files is dated May 24th. It was a draft of a letter that I believe was never sent to Frankel but does describe the situation more concisely, really, than I can do by trying to search out my memory. This, remember, was dictated on May 24th, which was a month after I first began to realize that Frankel, with Punch's full cooperation, was in the process of decimating my editorial staff not only without consulting me, but while I still had full responsibility for producing an editorial page seven days a week to the end of the year.

It says that -- and here I'm reading from it -- “The question of possible changes in personnel came up. You indicated” -- this was prior to the announcement, or just about the time of the