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The last time we talked, I mentioned that today, if time permits --

Wait. I'm sorry.

The last time we talked, I mentioned that today, if time permits, we'll also play a little bit of catch-up, having read back through the 1960s your entire oral history up to date, looking at things we may have missed, wanting to talk about some of the editorials you took, particularly on the environmental issues, and then later your Op-Ed pieces on the environment.

But just to start at the beginning of that, you had told me a story about the series of articles you wrote on the McCarthy period, and how at some point someone made a suggestion to you that those might merit a Pulitzer and that you discussed this with Charlie Merz. We discussed the editorial that he wrote, but you told me an additional story that I'd like to get on the record, that someone had said that that possibly would merit a Pulitzer and Merz had said that would not be likely to happen. Could you tell me about that?

You mean while Arthur Krock was --

Exactly.

It's funny. He certainly made the comment that you just alluded to. Charles Merz certainly made the comment to me that it would not be worthwhile our putting in an editorial for the Pulitzer Prize while Arthur Krock was a member of the Pulitzer board. Whether he made that to me in connection with the McCarthy editorials or in connection with some other editorials on a totally different subject that I had written that someone also had suggested