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was looked on as very weak with respect to his foreign policies, whether it dealt with the Middle East or wherever.

There's no question that Jimmy Carter got worried about the possibility that he wouldn't even be nominated by his party for the 1980 election, quite apart from winning the election against whoever was going to be the Republican nominee. So Carter did a kind of one hundred eighty degree turn, at least in my view, and became all of a sudden very much more conservative. He called in conservative advisors at the time. And he really did pretty much of a right turn. [Interruption]

We're moving now into the Reagan era. Could we just begin by talking about him on the environment? There are any number of ways we could begin. But why don't you choose one?

Any way you want. When you said, “We're moving on to the Reagan era,” I must say the words that came to my mind were the “infamous Reagan era.”

That's a better title.

Are we on?

We're on, that's the title of this session.