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I went out there. Of course, if I had the documents with me --

Don't worry abut the date.

I can't tell you precisely the year but I think it would have been about '67, something like that. I went to Vietnam -- actually, I went on that trip to India and to Pakistan and, let me tell you that it was pretty difficult in those days to get from India across the border to Pakistan --

Sure.

-- because the border was closed, and you had to practically stand on your head and do terrible things to get around the border, to get across one border crossing -- I'll never forget that; that's another story -- to Pakistan and then on, after perhaps a couple weeks in various parts of India -- New Delhi to Bombay to Cochin to Kerala to Calcutta -- with my wife, doing as much inquiry and investigation as I could. So I could understand a little bit what was going on in India at that time. I flew to Thailand from India, then from Thailand -- where I also talked to as many political people as I could -- to Vietnam, where we stayed for about a week with Ambassador [Henry Cabot, Jr.] Lodge, whom I had known previously from Washington days -- he had been a senator. We stayed for about a week with him in the embassy, in Saigon, and during that week I made a couple trips to the front, really, to what could be considered a front, two or three different areas, one up at Pleiku. I flew up to Pleiku with [General William Childs] Westmoreland, where there had just been a very nasty raid of the Vietcong from their shelter in Cambodia, across the border into Vietnam, where they had shot up and done a lot of damage to American soldiers. We visited the men