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Do you remember who else was there? We haven't gone into at all the personnel...in other words, how you developed into a large company.

Well, at that time Saxe Commins was already our editor. He came with Eugene O'Neill when we signed up O'Neill. One of the conditions he made was that I would give a job to his old friend Saxe Commins, who had started life as Eugene O'Neill's dentist up in Rochester, New York. Well, we gave Saxe a job. I would have given a job to anybody to get O'Neill.

Had you known Saxe when you...?

I had just met him at Liveright's. He had come just about the time I was leaving.

Saxe turned out to be one of the great men of Random House. He was our senior editor for years, until he died.

Would he read most of the unsolicited...?

Well, he was top editor and a wonderful man. I've been very lucky in the people I've had around me.

Then I got as a sales manager a fellow named Louis Miller--Lou Miller. Miller was with us until he retired last year. He was very, very important in the growth of Random House.