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Can I just go back to Saxe Commins a minute? I'm trying to see how, at those early stages, actually how authority ran in the House. In other words, you were president...

And Donald was vice-president.

Wasn't Haas vice-president for awhile?

He didn't join us until 1936.

Well, until then...

Until then it was just the two of us. We were always in one room. We had our desks facing each other.

Well, then, where was Saxe Commins then?

Saxe was right next door.

The three of us really ran the show with Lou Miller, the sales manager. The four of us were tops in Random House.

Well, if Saxe Commins ran across something that he wanted to publish, would he come and discuss it with you?

Oh, sure.