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When the arguments started in court Ernst got up and started to quote what Shaw had said about Ulysses. Of course, the United States attorney jumped up and said, “That's not admissible. It's not part of the book.”

Ernst said, “Oh, yes, it is part of the book,” and held up the book. Of course the Shaw opinion was pasted in the book.

When the fellow angrily sat down, Ernst started quoting what somebody else had said. Again, the attorney jumped up and said, “That isn't part of the book.”

Again Ernst said, “Oh, yes, it is part of the book,” and he pulled out another of our inserts. Woolsey at this point said, “Let me see that book,” so Ernst handed the book up to Judge Woolsey who was a jolly looking man. Then Judge Woolsey burst out laughing. We knew we were in. He said, “Very clever, gentlemen.” The U. S. Attorney was furious, but all the outside critiques were admitted as evidence.

In two days the case was decided. It was not a jury case. Woolsey wrote his famous decision. It took him some time to write the decision, but we knew we had won.

So for two days‘work Morris Ernst has been getting royalties on Ulysses every since, but he richly earned them. We never begrudged him this. He's made a lot of money out of it but so did we, and of course Joyce made a fortune out of it, too, so everybody was very happy--except the blue-noses--the self-appointed censors.

Could you describe Joyce? You've described the way he looked, but did you get to know him personally?